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David Icke (DI) interviews Dr. Thomas Cowan (TC), Out of the Box Thinker and Author of The Contagion Myth

0218-2022-notes: David Icke (DI) interviews Dr. Thomas Cowan (TC), Out of the Box Thinker and Author of The Contagion Myth.

7.54 minutes:

TC: I like to start with what I know. We are talking about what a human being is made of. If I ask you what is your answer:

DI: in its foundation I think it is an information field which relates to consciousness.

TC: that is a great answer… I start that a human being has a head, feet, arms, legs, eyes, and more. Everyone would agree with that. If you look at all the sytems of medicine and thinking throughout history, Chinese, Ayurvedic, Native American medicine would all agree with this. What is inside that?

DI: …organs, blood, veins, arteries, but I still say it is foundation basis of consciousness and information.

TC: I agree and I’m not quite there. Basically inside the head and chest are organs and tissues….nerves, heart, liver, spleen and everyone throughout history agrees with that and you can literally see that if you cut someone open. There is no doubt that is what we are made of. Chinese medicine is an energy flow medicine and they talk about the energy flow through your kidneys and liver that might be weak or congested. Let’s take one of those organs—what is the liver made of?

DI: cells and tissue…

TC: here is the interesting thing and everyone says a liver is made of cells but how do you know that?

DI: this is where I come from a different point of view. The whole foundation is information and it plays out in different levels of illusion.

TC: right. I totally agree but I am still stuck on the ‘cell thing.’ How do we know the liver is made of cells? If we do an investigation, there is nobody who has ever seen cells in a living liver. You cannot see it; if you do an ultrasound, CT scan, MRI there are no cells there. The only reason we think there are cells is because when you remove a piece of the liver from the living matrix, and then you stain it, poison it, and cut it up into little pieces, then under a microscope you see ‘cells.’ I would contend that is an artifact and there are no cells in a living liver.

This gets into one of the main principles of where western science went wrong. A quote: the problem is that western science wanted to understand frogs and what they are made of and how a frog lived. In your way of saying what kind of information system is a frog? The first thing they did was kill the frog. At that point you cannot understand anything about a frog because the frog is dead.

One of the reasons we kill frogs is that we say that helps us understand how to help frogs have better lives. One thing for sure, it didn’t help the frog that got killed and dissected. That frog didn’t have a better life; that frog is dead.

We know that if you take bacteria or fungus and threaten them in some way they will immediately coalesce into forms called spores that are the protective form and they regress further into things like somatids and other forms. There is a continual interplay among life forces or life forms.

I can’t prove this right now, but my theory is that living tissues are made of organized water which is where this information field comes from. There is no reason to break it up into a million ‘cells.’ That is a stupid-ass way to make a liver. Then you have to have a communication system between cells and it doesn’t look like that at all.

When I was an ER doc, we used to look at a microscope in peoples’ eyes and you see this lens and it is just basically an organized water crystal. I didn’t know that at the time. An organized water crystal is the living information system in the universe and that is where your ideas come in.

It works much better when you get rid of the cell idea. Who said there were cells in the first place? We think that God must have done this. The whole basis of western medicine is looking at cells under the microscope. It turns out there was a guy in 1859, Rudolf Virchow who wrote a book called Cellular Pathology. Apparently he dissected an onion which has cells that don’t look anything like human cells and he said onions have cells, therefore you have cells. I think he was a lunatic. ( )

There is no evidence of that; Chinese medicine never talks about cells. Ayurvedic and all the energy medicines do not talk about cells. Why is this important? Why do we get sick? Now we get to what you said—you have crystalline, coherent water. Each one is different depending on what it is supposed to do. It uses proteins, minerals, lipids, nucleic acids to form a perfectly transparent, flexible form called a lens (in the eye).

If you do something like put some poison in the lens like glyphosate, arsenic, electromagnetic fields, or even toxic thought or fear or misconceptions. Water is an information system for all those things. Instead of having a nice grid of organized transparent water, it is messed up and the light cannot get through and we call that a cataract. We rip your lens out and say now you are better, except you are not.

If we understood it properly, there is a Yiddish word called schmutz, that means like bad stuff. If you have schmutz in your lens, you get the schmutz out and the lens is transparent again and your cataract is gone.

If you have this in your organized water in the joint called the bursa, you don’t organize it well and you get a distorted bursa and then you have arthritis. If you have stuff in your tonsils, then the bacteria comes to eat it to help you out. That is not an infection—that is nature coming to your rescue because you didn’t bother to get the schmutz out of your living crystal. A living crystal that is distorted cannot process information properly and then you get stupid ideas.

DI: isn’t the foundation of so much that is misunderstood in human society the fact that people in authority see everything in terms of pieces and not an interconnected everything interacting with everything else whole. So they are always looking at ‘bits’ and trying to work out something about the ‘bits’ without its relationship to the whole.

TC: yes, I am a ‘normal doctor, a scientist’ and I want to study your liver. It is too hard to study it while it is in your body. I don’t know how to do that so I take it out and that means it’s dead. Now I dissect and dissect until I spend my whole career studying alpha-fetal protein in your liver with no relation to the original. Literally your doctor thinks you are dead because of what he studied.

Historically until 1700 nobody did an autopsy. Why? we say they were too stupid. The reason was the guy was dead—what do you expect to learn from a dead person? There is no life or information system. There is no coherent water structure; you are just dust. We don’t need to know that and now that is all we know. We studied that and it is like a death cult.

DI: a question people might ask, in the system of life, there are no cells so what are people seeing under the microscope?

TC: they are seeing an artifact, a piece of the liver from its living system and it coalesces to protect itself into little granules that we erroneously called cells. Here is where it gets interesting. There is one situation where you do see cells in living tissue. It is instructive. Here is how it works—let’s take a breast. There are ducts, blood vessels and different structures. What it looks like on a CT scan is homogenous tissue made of crystalline water. You are right—the DNA is embedded in the water and the water that is coherent controls the expression of the DNA. The water is tuned in to like a huge radio to the influence of the cosmos, your thoughts, your conception of consciousness.

You (David Icke) understand it better than anybody. You don’t want the ‘radio’ to be out of tune. Then you can’t think properly. So what happens is that you put some garbage in your tissues. It is analogous to having a house, having some garbage and you get a garbage can. As long as you have the same amount of garbage and you take it out to the curb, you are mostly fine. Now you have 20x as much garbage because you eat soy burgers, think stupid thoughts, you talk on an EMF device all day long, you eat glyphoshate and you get chem trailed.

Now you have poisoned tissue and your body decides to help you out by buying more garbage cans. That is fine as long as you can keep them in the garage. But eventually there is too much garbage—that is a tumor. You used the cells as the garbage cans to collect the garbage. Then someone says you have a breast tumor, takes it out and that makes you a little better. Now there is less garbage, but you are still accumulating garbage. It’s like putting it in your kitchen, your bedroom, and then you can’t live in your house and you are dead.

Here is one of the reasons I think this is accurate. Every attempt that has been successful to remediate this problem has basically said to stop taking garbage in and take it out to the curb. It’s interesting that in 1899 in the Merck manual they listed 44 conditions that were curable by one of the simplest medicines ever…called turpentine. What is turpentine? It is a solvent made from pine resin and it binds with the stuff in your gel and gets rid of it. They said it cures cataracts, rheumatoid arthritis and ovarian cancer. It’s just because you have stuff dissolved in your tissues which are gels. The tissues are organized gels, organized depending on the function.

Each tissue uses different types of proteins, different minerals, different substances and if you get rid of it (garbage) you are not sick any more. Then you can think right.

DI: if we look at this and take the body to be an information field that is interacting within itself and out to the great beyond, as soon as that field starts to develop in the womb in society as we have it today, the destabilization process starts through the mother and her toxic nature. Through the rest of the life of the child, the prime matrix of the body is being undermined constantly and to a large extent this is a major influence in the speed of aging and the nature of health.

TC: yes, all I am saying is that I am fingering the mechanism of this happening. It is the primal that all goes through water and water is the medium between this are that you are studying which is consciousness and the energy environment. It goes through water to create substance and if the water is impure, sick…every culture has said you have to clean up your water. Every spiritual teaching worth anything is all about the impure water.

We start in the womb with thoughts of fear, then add vaccines with aluminum that gets into the water structure and distorts the matrix. Then you start to try to dissolve the matrix of the water to clean it out. It’s like having jello with a poison grape in it, you heat the jello and make it run. We call that sickness and mucous. Then you reconstitute a more perfect jell. But we don’t let people do that. We prevent it and give anti-mucous, anti-fever medicine so you cannot melt your jell, so you go through life accumulating more and more poisons and ‘keep them in garbage cans’ until your house is so full that you cannot live any more. We call that aging.

DI: a destructive thing that plays out in the medical structure that is a mis-education, even if they know what they are doing at the core, is that so often a natural bodily immune response to something is considered an illness and the problem. And actually it is the solution.

TC: yes, but I actually think there is no such thing as an immune response. That implies that there are viruses and bacteria that you need an immune response against. The bacteria are there, just like they are in the forest, to biodegrade that which is diseased and dead. Nobody thinks the maggots killed the dog. At least nobody I know. You don’t need an immune response against bacteria. Viruses are pieces of genetic material that have been degraded often by toxins or electro—magnetic fields.

They distort the water that the DNA is embedded in so you get the deterioration of the DNA and with body packages it excretes it as vessels that are misconceived as viruses. They are not pathogens. There is no immune response part of this we have a detoxification system. If you are poisoned you detoxify it and get rid of it. If you are exposed to abnormal thoughts, hopefully you have a system of correcting yourself so that you are not poisoning yourself with those toxic ideas, misconceptions or consciousness fields. We don’t’ need an immune system.

DI: so what people refer to as an immune system, you call a detoxification system that is an imbalance and that system rebalances. The system is always seeking balance.

TC: you are poisoned until you get rid of the poison. Unfortunately we call the process of getting rid of poison a disease and it’s actually the therapy. 20 years ago I said when you get a splinter in your finger you make pus. I learned in medical school it is an infection and you give an antibiotic. Anybody with any sense says the disease is the splinter and the pus is the therapy for the splinter.

If you smoke you put debris in your lungs and then you get bronchitis which is how your body gets debris. You go to the doctor and he is confused and he gives you an antibiotic to stop the coughing. Then you do that twice a year for 20 years and then you get lung cancer which is bags of debris in your lungs and the doctor says you have a genetic problem and that is why you have lung cancer.

DI: if you have big pharma making billions by treating a bodily response to imbalance, toxins, etc. what happens if you stop that process? Obviously, the body does not heal itself. The drugs are supposed to be healing us.

TC: the difference with me, I think, I had to be successful. Here I am on my own, I don’t take insurance, I am a medical doctor and people say they don’t feel well. I can give them a bunch of hooey for rheumatoid arthritis. I would say to them exactly what you said. They might say they went to their rheumatologist and he gave me a drug. I would say to them to ask the rheumatologist how many people he has given this treatment got cured of the rheumatoid arthritis. The answer is zero people. It is such a weird state if you ask if there is anything that might cure the problem, the doctor thinks you are a lunatic. He kicks you out of his office for such an ‘absurd’ question.

If you are always stopping the healing process, you are committed to stopping the healing process. Of course it will never get better.

DI: I asked that very question when I was 19 and was a professional soccer player and I had swollen joints. They told me I had rheumatoid arthritis. They said my career was over and they gave me a prescription for an anti-inflammatory called Indicin. I asked if it would get rid of the arthritis and they said no and I asked what I was taking it for. They said it would ease the pain. I asked what that was going to do to me and it would be ongoing for taking it. I was a journalist on a newspaper some years later, one of the editors had a wife who had arthritis and had been taking Indicim for years before and she was about to die.

TC: there is very clear medical research showing that Indicin, if you take it, you have worse outcomes than if you don’t take it. The disease is not the inflammation. The inflammation is trying to melt your gel so you can reconstitute better gel. I used to say to patient that the problem in going to a normal doctor that gives you something that works you are in trouble. If it doesn’t work you are probably okay because your body is able to overcome the medicine and it’s trying to heal. If it actually stops the inflammation now you are in big trouble.

What happens next? As soon as you stop taking whatever was suppressing the healing it will be worse than ever. That is what happens 100% of the time.

DI: it seems to me from talking to people and news stories that anti-inflammatory drugs are being handed out like sweets today.

TC: right. This gets into being almost a pariah and normal doctors don’t agree with me a lot of the time. And alternative doctors don’t either. A normal doctor gives you Indicin for inflammation and an alternative doctor gives you turmeric for inflammation. I have nothing against turmeric. The problem is not inflammation. Inflammation is the therapy. It makes a difference what is in the consciousness in the people you are dealing with. I don’t like that consciousness. The inflammation is your body’s therapeutic attempt. If you don’t want it because it destroys your joints, I don’t want it either. But I don’t want it because there is nothing to get rid of. The problem is you are eating glyphosate and that is depositing in your joints and your body is making inflammation to get it out. I don’t want to stop the inflammation, I want you to stop eating glyphosate. Then it’s like the miracle of pulling the splinter out and the pus goes away in 10 minutes.

DI: inflammation is the response to the problem?

TC: it is not even the response to the problem; it is the solution to the problem. Bacterial infections are the solution to being poisoned. Just like they are in the forest in the compost pile. ‘Viral infections’ are the solution to deteriorated genetic material. You packaged it up, excrete it, tell the other people in your area that there is a new poison in town. This whole survival of the fittest is nonsense.

DI: let’s come to something I’m fascinated by and that is the impact of the mind and emotions…how does that work?

TC: if you say ‘where is the mind’…and I don’t agree with what I am about to say, but I will say it anyway. They say the mind has something to do with the brain. I don’t agree with that but let’s say for the sake of argument that it is accurate. If there is any connection between the brain and the mind, it is the same connection as the radio to a song. Nobody would dissect the radio looking for the song. I have a 3 year old friend who heard me on the radio while we were in the car. He asked how Tom got in the radio. I told him Tom didn’t get into the radio.

TC: the brain is a transistor and receiver of the thoughts and that which we call the mind. Here is where it gets interesting. Do you know the organ in the body with the highest percentage of water?

DI: officially it is the brain.

TC: right—it is 80% water instead of 70%. That is because the brain is like a quartz crystal except that a quartz crystal cannot grow and evolve. You can just add more and more data to it and it will know more and more things but it cannot change itself. A water crystal has the same number of binding sites for anything from food to thought. That is the mind. Every time you put a thought that is toward wholeness it creates a more coherent crystal.

Anytime you put a thought in there of hatred … my friend Andy did an experiment where he put rice in water. Everyday he said to one identical bowl of rice you are stupid. He told the other bowl of rice thank you for nourishing me. At the end of 30 days the you’re stupid rice was a black, fungal mess. The thank you for nourishing me was like fermented rice.

In other words our consciousness determines the reality of the coherence of the brain and specifically the brain because Universal Consciousness said we need a part of us that is really mostly water, even more than usual so that it can be infinitely flexible. That is how I would say that the mind creates the reality working through water.

That has been my quest…not to keep this in a vague way. If you are goofy in your thinking like dementia it is because you have polluted water structure in your brain. I like Mark Twain. They asked him in his late 80s why he had such a good memory and could remember anything and he said, I never tell a lie if you tell a lie, say like Bill Clinton who can only tell lies, you end up tangling up the water in your brain and you cannot remember where your shoes are.

DI: I think Mark Twain said something like when you tell the truth you don’t have to remember anything. It’s very true.

TC: it is; if you said my shirt is orange and someone asks me later what color my blue shirt is I have to remember what I said 6 hours ago. If I say it is blue, I don’t have to remember anything—it’s blue

DI: your book about the heart saying that it does not pump blood around the body, how is that?

TC: think about it. We have this 1.1 pound organ with variable thickness which even the thinnest part is opposite the exit. You have blood vessels that encircle like 3x the earth—there are miles and miles of these blood vessels with this sticky fluid that stops floating in because it is the same diameter as the blood vessel. How could that 1.1 lb. organ generate enough propulsion pressure to move that fluid all the way around the circulation? It’s ludicrous. That’s the first thing. The movement of the blood that comes in to the heart is the same as it exits the heart. What did the heart do to propulse the blood? Nothing.

The third thing is that the blood goes faster as it comes into the heart and exits at the same speed, so what did the heart do? Then it goes slower and slower and stops and then it gets going again. It’s like you have bus going from NY to Calif and it stops in St. Louis. I can tell you if the bus doesn’t have an engine I am not getting in the bus in St Louis. I don’t know how the bus is going to start going again. Anybody with any sense would put the pump where the blood stops not where it is already going the fastest.

The next thing is when you look at the exit of the heart, the aortic arch, like the McDonald’s arch, think about this. You put a spigot on the hose and the hose is shaped like an arch and you turn it off. It’s shaped like an arch. Now you turn it on full blast and we are pumping 30,000 miles so you better have a nice, strong pump. What happens to the flexible hose? It would straighten. What happens to the aortic arch? Every time you ‘push’ it bends in.

When I was a medical student and I saw them put the dye in the left ventricle, the aortic arch bends in and I said, look that is weird. If it is pushing it would straighten the hose. The answer was for me not to worry about it. So that is just not possible and what is happening it’s like hydraulic gate that you put in moving water that has a gauge. It has expandable tank and the water comes in and is held in the tank and expands the walls. Then you get a pressure differential in the tank versus the opposite side of the tank. It creates a suction and when the pressure differential is enough, the gate opens and the walls passively contract after the water is removed. There is a suction that sucks the aortic arch in and the blood just falls down to the capillaries.

How does it start moving? Look at any system of water, if you have water and protein and you put an energy source like light, consciousness or anything it creates a separation of charges in the water, a gel. There is a negatively charged gel along the protein and the positive charged ions go into the middle where the fluid is. They repel each other and start moving the blood.

That is same thing that happens in a tree that is a vertical tube…it can’t go down into the ground, it goes up. Scientists say that water cannot move higher in a tree than 33 feet. It is called the barometric limit and this is where science is goofy. They say there are no trees higher than 40 feet. Go outside and look in California and there’s a tree 300 feet high..the redwoods. Even in theory you cannot make a staff go higher than 33 feet because of evaporation the reality is that there are 300 foot trees

As soon as you set up the mechanism of a hyperphyllictube it creates a negative gel, creates positive ions in the middle where the water is, it will repel each other and go forever.

DI: it seems that with science the theory overrides reality.

TC: exactly. I think the heart pumps the blood; therefore I look for the facts to substantiate it. I look at the whole picture and there is no possible way, even when you look at what Da Vinci said—the blood comes into the heart and makes a vortex which is where the consciousness enters into physical reality—through these vortexes. The heart stops the blood. The Sufis said that in that moment when the heart stops the blood then God enters into the human being. It stops the blood and it twists and MRIs show that it twists to create a vortex and it sends packages of vortexes that are packaged energy fields to the different tissues.

We even know that if you have a cut on your leg and you need the protein there to fix the cut, the heart packages up certain proteins in the mini vortex and sends it right to that part of your leg. It knows how to send old red blood cells in its vortex to the spleen to take them out of circulation. .the problem is that this is the reality of how we work and modern science and medicine has zero conception of this. Oh my God, this is the way it really works is so much more interesting.

DI: this makes total sense. Only if you encompass reality beyond what you can see, touch, taste and smell. So the energy comes in through the heart vortex and impacts the blood through the heart.

TC: yes. The vortexing blood—I have MRIs from John Hopkins that shows the vortex field in the heart that creates this torus around the body. That is where it comes from. There is magnetized iron in there and you put magnetized iron in a vortex in the heart. People in the alternative world say the heart is a pump and it is a spiritual organ. I say that is BS because if you miss that the heart is not a pump you don’t see what happened in the heart. The heart stopped the blood, created a vortex and when you do that with a magnetic substance it creates an energy field around it. (notetaker: describing plasma energy water). That is the creative force of life. That consciousness interfaces with substance to create what we call human beings.

DI: I have seen you question in other interviews what causes heart attacks with the blood stopping and the arteries being clogged up. Is there an energetic connection that breaks down in a heart attack?

TC: I go back to what is the person made of. I start with what I know and if you do autopsies on people who died of heart attacks, the biggest study ever done showed that 20% of the people who had a heart attack had blockage in the artery leading to that part of the heart. That doesn’t mean that the blockage caused those heart attacks. Let’s forget about that 20%. It means that 80% who died of heart attacks had no blockage in that artery. That is the biggest study ever done and published in The Etiopathogenisis of Heart Attacks. You can find this on website done by Georgio Baroli.

The question is what happened to these people? Basically they have an energy deficit, just like not having energy in your leg muscle. You build up lactic acid and you get cramps and pain. The same thing happens with an energy deficit in the spleen. You go anaerobic and build up lactic acid and get cramps and pain. Unlike the heart, the leg and the spleen stop with the lactic acid. The only two organs that have a ‘pass’ are the brain and the heart.

We call it stroke and heart attack because they use 80% of the energy which is not ATP which is a common misconception among scientists and doctors. The energy is water and it creates an electro-magnetic field and its inherent tendency is to separate charges. The charge is the energy of life.

The only function of ATP is unfold the proteins that structure the water. If you have an energy deficit then you build up lactic acid and the heart cannot stop like the leg can. Just like the leg, you feel cramps and pain and we call that angina. Then if keeps going it destroys the tissue and we call that heart attack.

DI: what is the best way to stop a heart attack—don’t eat fatty foods as they say. How do you have a healthy heart?

TC: one point of view is to eat the way people who never have heart attacks eat lots of fats and don’t eat poisoned foods. It’s the same…don’t poison yourself. Get out in the sun, work on your consciousness and listen to what you’ve been saying—be in the sun, connect with the earth, there is a great book called Bullshit Jobs and 37% of Americans asked if anyone should do the job you are doing say that the job shouldn’t exist.

That’s a horrible way to live. Nobody should do that job? Good work, connection with loved ones—be a human being for God’s sake. There is an amazing medicine if there is a still a problem called strophanthus which is native to Africa and the native people call it the gift from paradise. What is does is to improve the metabolism of the heart cells and gets rid of lactic acid and has been used for hundreds of years as a tonic for the heart. People who take it don’t get heart attacks. I’m not saying everyone should take it…eat good food and be a human being.

Does that mean read labels? No—if it has a label don’t eat it. Carrots and filet mignon don’t have labels. You know what it is and you know what a chicken is.

DI: you say not to eat food with labels and I say don’t self-identify who you really are with labels.

TC: I am at

DI: read Tom’s Contagion Myth. It’s brilliant on covid 19. You are one of the people in Feb or March and the penny dropped very quickly that this virus is a scam. But it’s a testament to the power of human programming many cannot see that.

It’s been my feeling that what you’ve been talking about, the inner core of the global cult, it seems that in some way they have like computer programming, from processing certain information. They are manipulating the brain’s processing of information. There are probably information frequencies that won’t process. When you expand your consciousness you expand your ability to process. When you have the 5 sense mind, there is like there is a fire wall job going on and people cannot think outside the box and the box is the firewall.

TC: I agree and to me they have a distorted transistor and their water is all distorted and it cannot experience the thought that in order to prove a virus exists you have to isolate it. I said here is a fork. All forks have tines and you can count the number of forks. A guy said he could prove me wrong and held up a spoon and said this proves that all forks don’t have tines. It’s a spoon. At that point I had nothing to talk about.

DI: it’s the line people use I just can’t get my head around this.



Posted on March 16, 2020


Dr. Thomas Cowan has a family medicine practice in San Francisco, where he focuses on nutrition, homeopathy and herbal medicine. He has served as vice president of the Physicians’ Association for Anthroposophic Medicine and has written several books on these subjects.

He offers his Rudolph Steiner-influenced point of view about the coronavirus “global pandemic”, which would look for the environmental causes of the illness, first.

He says, “In 1918, after the…biggest pandemic, the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918, Steiner was asked what this was all about. And he said viruses are simply excretions of a toxic cell. Viruses are pieces of DNA or RNA, with a few other proteins. They butt out from the cell. They happen when the cell is poisoned. They are not the cause of anything.”

“The first way I would encourage you to think about this is, if you are a famous dolphin doctor and you have been studying dolphins in the Arctic Circle for hundreds of years…and the Dolphins were fine and then they call you up, ‘Fred…a lot of the dolphins are dying in the Arctic Circle. Can you come and investigate?”

“And you have one question to ask. So, show of hands. How many of you would say. ‘I want to investigate a dolphin to see the genetic makeup of that dolphin?’ Nobody, because that’s stupid.”

“How many of you would say, ‘I want to see if this dolphin and that dolphin has a virus, because it might be contagious and that’s why all these dolphins are getting sick’ ?”

“How many of you would say, ‘Excuse my French, somebody put some sh*t in the water here, like Exxon Valdez.’ Anybody? Everybody.”

“Because that’s what happened. And your cells get poisoned. They try to purify themselves by excreting debris, which we call viruses.”

“If you go to the current theory of viruses called exosomes and the latest head of the NIH giving a talk on the complexity of viruses, you will see this is perfectly in line with the current thinking on what a virus really is…”

“I had a dramatic example of this when I was growing up because outside of our house there were wetlands.  It was full of frogs and the frogs kept me up at night.  It was in the spring and I taped the windows shut. They made a big racket and over time the frogs were all gone.  How many of you think the frogs had a genetic disease?  How many think the frogs had a virus?  How many think the frogs put DDT into the water.  THAT is what happened.   Diseases are poisoning.”

“So, what happened in 1918? There was a huge pandemic –  and every pandemic in the last 150 years, there was an a quantum leap in the electrification of the Earth, in 1918, late, late fall of 1917, there was the introduction of radio waves around the world.“

“Whenever you expose any biological system to a new electromagnetic field, you poison it, you kill some and the rest go into a kind of suspended animation, so that interestingly, they live a little bit longer – and sicker.”

“And then starts in World War Two, with the next pandemic. With the introduction of radar equipment all over the Earth, blanketing the entire Earth in radar fields, was the first time humans have ever been close to that.”

“In 1968, there was the Hong Kong Flu and it was the first time the Earth has a protective layer in the Van Allen Belt, which essentially integrates the cosmic fields from the Sun and the Earth from the Moon and Jupiter, etc., integrates that and essentially distributes that to the living beings of the Earth.”

“And we put satellites emitting radioactive frequencies in the Van Allen Belt. Within six months, we had a new viral pandemic. Why viral? Because the people are poisoned. They excrete toxins. They look like viruses. People think it’s a flu epidemic. ”

“In 1918 in the flu epidemic the Boston Health Department decided to investigate the contagiousness of this.  They took hundreds of people with the flu and sucked the snot out of their nose and injected it into healthy people who didn’t have the flu.  Not one time could they make the next person sick.  They did this over and over again and they were not able to demonstrate contagion.  They even did this with horses who apparently got the Spanish Flu and they put bags over the horses’ heads.  The horses sneezed into the bags and they put the bag over other horses and not one horse got sick.” 

“…you can read about this in a book called ‘The Invisible Rainbow’, by Arthur Furstenberg, who chronicles all the steps in the electrification of the Earth and how within six months, there was a new flu pandemic all over the world.”

“…how did it go from Kansas to South Africa in two weeks, so the entire world got the symptoms at the same time, in spite of the fact that the mode of transportation was horseback and boats? And there’s no explanation for it. They just say we don’t know how that happened.”

“But when you think about it, with these radio waves and other frequencies that some of you have in your pocket and on your wrist, you can send a signal to Japan and it arrives instantaneously. So any of you who don’t believe there is an electromagnetic field that communicates globally within seconds, is just not paying attention to this.”

“And I will only finish by pointing out that there has been a dramatic and quantum leap in the last six months with the electrification of the Earth. And I’m sure a lot of you know what that is, it’s called: 5G, where there is now 20,000 radiation-emitting satellites, just like the radiation-emitting thing in your pocket and on your wrist and that you use all the time.”

“That is not compatible with health. I’m sorry to say it. It’s not compatible with health. That is a water-destructuring device.”

“And for any of you who say, ‘Yeah, well we’re not electrical beings. We’re just physical matter,’ Then don’t bother doing an EKG or an EEG or a nerve conduction test, because we are electrical beings and the chemicals are only the byproduct of those electrical impulses.

“And I’ll finish with, anybody want to make one guess as to where the first completely-blanketed 5G city in the world was? Wuhan, exactly.”

“So, when you start thinking about this, we are in an existential crisis here, Folks, the likes of which humankind has never seen and I don’t want to go all Old Testament prophet on you, but this is something that is unprecedented…”

“They are putting 100,000 satellites in the very blanket of the earth.  By the way I was going to say earlier.  This actually has something to do with the vaccine question and this got brought home to me about a year or so ago when I had a patient who came to me who was totally fine and was a surfer.   He works as an electrician putting in wifi systems for very wealthy people.  Electricians have a very high mortality rate.  He was fine and then he got a metal plate put in his arm and 3 months later he couldn’t get out of bed and was total …had heart irregularities and he was just in total collapse.”   

“The susceptibility has to do with how much metal you have in your body, as well as the quality of the water in your cells.

“So, if you start injecting aluminum in people, they become receptors for absorbing increased electromagnetic fields and that is a perfect storm for the kind of deterioration of the species, which is what we’re now experiencing.“

“And I’m just gonna finish with one more thing, which I like to and it is a quote from Rudolf Steiner – and by the way, this was around 1917:”

“…In times when there were no electrical currents, when the air was not swarming with electrical influences,’ we’re talking 1917, ‘it was easier to be human. For this reason, in order to be human at all today, it is necessary to expend much stronger spiritual capacities than was necessary a century ago.”

“So, I just leave you with whatever you can do to increase your spiritual capacities, because it’s really damn hard to be human being these days. Thanks for listening.”

Lynn: Now do you see the case for drinking the plasma energy station water? 

Dr. Paul and I drank the water for the last 4+ years.  Now you may ask why he isn’t still alive today.  He was working on an online diabetes workshop that he was going to present in January 2020. 

He died on December 20th after a couple of ‘bad’ days which he had occasionally because of the Type 1 diabetes he had for 35 years and the transplant medications that he had allergic reactions to that he had been taking since 2004. 

The focus of his diabetes workshop was going to be the absolute damage caused to all organs in the body by diabetes.  Just think of the toll on the body when doing dialysis for 8 years and building up toxins for 2 to 3 days between dialysis treatments.

If you look at the videos of him starting in the summer of 2019 you see the toll that was taking on him through the fall of 2019.  He was telling me that his body was wearing out….and it was.  He was so determined that he was working 8 to 10 hours a day on the workshop he was developing. 

The information you have read from Dr. Thomas Cowan is compelling.  In his book CANCER and the New Biology of WATER, Dr. Cowan writes:  “During sleep our body is unimpeded in its interaction with our physical body and that is when healing takes place.”  In another part of the book he says, “…with the rollout of 5G beginning in 2019 …it is possible in the next two years biological life on earth will face a toxic exposure that will make previous encounters with things like plutonium, DDT and plastics look like child’s play.  It is not enough for us to claim that because you don’t ‘feel’ anything when exposed to EMFs they can’t have an adverse effect.  We learned the fallacy of that thinking through our encounter with routine X-rays. “

It is time for more people to take seriously the gift of the plasma energy waters developed by Dr. Paul.  Many of the remedies listed are found in various combinations made by Dr. Paul and Lynn and include Chaga Mushrooms, mistletoe, Burdock root, turmeric and the salt from quality sea water such as the Korean B9 salt. 

We are over 70% water.  What is the quality of water being put in your body? 

Is it full of pollutants, herbicides, pesticides, aluminum, mercury, chorine, fluoride and other toxic metals?  How does that interact with the 5G that is rolling out everywhere.  How can you not change the quality of the water in your body if you are drinking plasma energy water combinations, cooking with the waters, using them in your laundry, and spraying them on your body?

We have many free reports for you here at this site-SEE OUR FREE REPORTS BUTTON TO THE RIGHT.  We have over 5 dozen videos for you on this site and the youtube channel Plasma Energy Solutions.  We have free blogs, FAQs and testimonials for you to take the time and educate yourself.

You may not be able to stop 5G but you do have a choice of how your body interacts with it! 

Especially take the time to read our blogs and videos on Never Ending Plasma Energy New Tech Frequency Relief and the Shungite magnets and pendants.  Dr. Paul followed the Russian and Japanese research and combined Shungite (found only in Shunga, Russia), silver gans water developed by Dr. Paul and magnets to mitigate the effects of the harmful energy fields emitted by WIFI, 5G and radiation from the many devices found in our homes and offices. 


Here is Edward Dowd, Blackrock and Wallstreet insider, and Alex Jones on Wall Street reaction to vaccine injuries, death rates rising over 40% of normal, and Moderna and Pfizer stocks plunging:

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